DUST Search - [feedback] Ishukone Nova Knives

Maken Tosch wrote:

===Update May 10, 2013===

Ok guys. The results are finally in after a some long tests to bring you this important information.

Each test required an an unwitting test subject of various classes of suits in controlled conditions which is why each test took so long as they were hard to come by and I often ran into mercs who spotted me first but I had to allow them to kill me because I didn't want my end-of-match stats to be skewed by my attempts to save myself. So here are the results.

Nova Knives deal twice the base damage via double strike with only the instant attack (no charge). Example: ZN-28 Nova Knives have a base damage of 150HP per knife in each pair which brings the total to 300HP without the charge.

The following tests were conducted with the following suit:

[Test Suit Please Ignore]

Scout G/1-Series
1x ZN-28 Nova Knives <--- Testing tool (only for conducting the test, never for self defense)
1x Exile Assault Rifle BPO <--- For observing target's armor and shield stats from a distance (never used)
2x Militia Profile Dampener BPO
2x Militia Shield Extender BPO
1x Active Scanner <--- For isolating test subjects.

NOTE: As you can see, no damage mods were used, no Minmatar Scout Dropsuit bonus applied and I have not yet trained for Nova Knifing Proficiency.

Test #1

Map: Skim Junction Skirmish
Controlled Condition: Camping a blaster turret that I hacked and left alone as bait.
Unwitting Subject A: Amarr Assault with nearly 300HP on his shields.
Results: 300 Damage dealt (instant attack) which practically ate up all of the subject's shield and scratched its armor leaving the poor subject with only 97 points of armor left. I let the subject kill me as a reward for participating in this experiment.

Note: There were actually two subjects in this match but forgot the stats of the first one and had to redo it.

Test #2

Map: Manus Peak
Controlled Condition: Northwestern hills where snipers perch.
Unwitting Subject B: Gallente Scout with a combined shield/armor total of 370 HP.
Results: 370 Damage dealt (charged attack) which basically killed him.

Test #3

Map: Line Harvest
Controlled Condition: Northeastern hills
Unwitting Subject C: Militia Amarr Heavy. Unable to see stats clearly because me and him were playing cat and mouse.
Results: Dealt and unknown amount of damage with only a single charged attack but left him with only 2 points of armor left (stats finally appeared at the last moment). After looking up the market on the base stats, the militia heavy suit has base shield of 405 HP and base armor of 304 HP which brings the base total to 709 HP. Assuming the subject wasn't wearing any defense modules, I have dealt approximately 707 HP with a single charged attack. As as reward for participating, I let the heavy kill me with a forge gun.

Interesting Note

On two of the tests conducted (#2 and #3), I noticed that the end-of-match stats for total damage dealt was 748 HP per match. This was an odd consistency because I don't recall doing any more than 370 HP in test #2. If my theory is correct, then the total damage per charged attack is 748 HP. Please keep in mind that in all tests conducted, I never used any damage modifiers, only a Gallente Scout suit was used, I have not trained Minmatar Scout Dropsuit yet, and have not trained anything into Nova Knife Proficiency. This data is based strictly on the base stats of the ZN-28 Nova Knives.


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Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2211	Posted - 2013.05.07 20:33:00 - [1] - Quote I'm still in the process of understanding everything that's going on here with the knives and intend to post a detailed report on it via one of my diaries so players can know what to expect. They have been buffed incredibly so much that I was able to go 13/9 in one match alone which is an incredible record on my part and I am now able to cause much greater disruption in a squad's unit cohesion as I clash left and right picking off one or two kills while the enemy is too distracted to notice my team is about to overrun them. The fear factor increases five fold when in cramped spaces in dark corners of the map. It's absolutely intense that I find myself standing up playing the game. The only downsides are that I can't sprint with a charged nova knife and the lunging effect (if there is any) doesn't seem all that apparent when I melee or charge the knife. However, the returns are much greater now compared to the effort put into utilizing them.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2237	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:10:00 - [2] - Quote Arramakaian Eka wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: Being able to charge your knife while sprinting is a MUST though...please fix this asap CCP! Absolutely not. It would be way OP. Knives are fine right now, they shouldn't be touched. Now I'm starting to have second thoughts on the sprint part. Keep as is and the avoid the "NERF KNIVES" threads, or add sprint/charge support and get endless "QQ NERF KNIVES" threads?
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2237	Posted - 2013.05.10 04:11:00 - [3] - Quote By the way, something for you to read about the damage. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=678236#post678236 Maken Tosch wrote: ===Update May 10, 2013=== Ok guys. The results are finally in after a some long tests to bring you this important information. Each test required an an unwitting test subject of various classes of suits in controlled conditions which is why each test took so long as they were hard to come by and I often ran into mercs who spotted me first but I had to allow them to kill me because I didn't want my end-of-match stats to be skewed by my attempts to save myself. So here are the results. Nova Knives deal twice the base damage via double strike with only the instant attack (no charge). Example: ZN-28 Nova Knives have a base damage of 150HP per knife in each pair which brings the total to 300HP without the charge. The following tests were conducted with the following suit: [Test Suit Please Ignore] Scout G/1-Series 1x ZN-28 Nova Knives <--- Testing tool (only for conducting the test, never for self defense) 1x Exile Assault Rifle BPO <--- For observing target's armor and shield stats from a distance (never used) 2x Militia Profile Dampener BPO 2x Militia Shield Extender BPO 1x Active Scanner <--- For isolating test subjects. NOTE: As you can see, no damage mods were used, no Minmatar Scout Dropsuit bonus applied and I have not yet trained for Nova Knifing Proficiency. Test #1 Map: Skim Junction Skirmish Controlled Condition: Camping a blaster turret that I hacked and left alone as bait. Unwitting Subject A: Amarr Assault with nearly 300HP on his shields. Results: 300 Damage dealt (instant attack) which practically ate up all of the subject's shield and scratched its armor leaving the poor subject with only 97 points of armor left. I let the subject kill me as a reward for participating in this experiment. Note: There were actually two subjects in this match but forgot the stats of the first one and had to redo it. Test #2 Map: Manus Peak Controlled Condition: Northwestern hills where snipers perch. Unwitting Subject B: Gallente Scout with a combined shield/armor total of 370 HP. Results: 370 Damage dealt (charged attack) which basically killed him. Test #3 Map: Line Harvest Controlled Condition: Northeastern hills Unwitting Subject C: Militia Amarr Heavy. Unable to see stats clearly because me and him were playing cat and mouse. Results: Dealt and unknown amount of damage with only a single charged attack but left him with only 2 points of armor left (stats finally appeared at the last moment). After looking up the market on the base stats, the militia heavy suit has base shield of 405 HP and base armor of 304 HP which brings the base total to 709 HP. Assuming the subject wasn't wearing any defense modules, I have dealt approximately 707 HP with a single charged attack. As as reward for participating, I let the heavy kill me with a forge gun. Interesting Note On two of the tests conducted (#2 and #3), I noticed that the end-of-match stats for total damage dealt was 748 HP per match. This was an odd consistency because I don't recall doing any more than 370 HP in test #2. If my theory is correct, then the total damage per charged attack is 748 HP. Please keep in mind that in all tests conducted, I never used any damage modifiers, only a Gallente Scout suit was used, I have not trained Minmatar Scout Dropsuit yet, and have not trained anything into Nova Knife Proficiency. This data is based strictly on the base stats of the ZN-28 Nova Knives.